Belated 36th-anniversary-Roe v. Wade links

Liss at Shakesville posts the statement made by President Obama. My favorite part part:

While this is a sensitive and often divisive issue, no matter what our views, we are united in our determination to prevent unintended pregnancies, reduce the need for abortion, and support women and families in the choices they make. To accomplish these goals, we must work to find common ground to expand access to affordable contraception, accurate health information, and preventative services.

And a statement from the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.  My favorite lines:

The reality is that the cycle of poverty often revolves around unintended and unwanted pregnancy. A woman living in poverty is four times as likely to have an unintended pregnancy and five times as likely to have an unintended birth as her higher-income counterpart. The link between family planning and overcoming poverty is well established. Comprehensive reproductive health services contribute to better health for infants, children, and women and improve social and economic opportunities for women and their families.

[….]

Let us put aside our differences and honor our shared values of accessible health care and intentional parenthood by supporting measures to ensure services are available. I call on people of faith to lead the way to greater understanding of the causes of unwanted and unintended pregnancies. Our faith communities can be the spark of justice that causes government to make available the resources that are needed to reduce these pregnancies. These resources include comprehensive and medically accurate sexuality education, increased funding for family planning services, expanded Medicaid coverage for family planning, accessibility of emergency contraception for rape victims, and insurance coverage for contraception. These and other measures are in the Prevention First Act introduced at the start of the 111th Congress. Congress should move forward to adopt this legislation, with the knowledge that a more just, caring and life-affirming America will emerge.

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5 Responses

  1. The Religious Coalition find a strong correlation between poverty and unwanted pregnancy.

    Does this correlation justify post birth abortion too?

  2. Ireland=abortion is illegal
    Ireland=One of the best per capita GDP’s and standards of living in the world

    Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, what religion is this? Sounds pagan. Also, didn’t they used to be called Clergy for Abortion or something along those lines? Why the euphemisms? Could it be that as the abortion death toll goes up society becomes increasingly uncomfortable with the practice?

  3. You know, Lynn, I wasn’t real familiar with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice either, so I googled it. And no, it is not a religion. It is not some strange denomination founded on the premise that God wants women to have abortions whenever they feel like it. It seems to be a coalition of different faiths and denominations that approach abortion as a tragic, but sometimes necessary alternative. That is to say, they don’t see the issue as being black and white; they examine it within the messy, complicated, sometimes tragic context of people’s lives. It’s not that they think abortion is great, it’s that in certain situations, they see it as the lesser of two evils.

    Why don’t you read some of their positions on their site (there’s a whole list, written by representatives from multiple denominations) and evaluate them? Let us know what it is about their arguments that you disagree with. I think that might be more constructive than calling them pagans (I have no idea how you came up with that), or quipping that they are “clergy for abortion.”

  4. Junia,

    Thanks for your reply.

    My first question to you involves your idea of the “tragic but necessary alternative.”

    When I hear that I think something along the lines of “women and children first” on the Titanic, tragic for the men onboard but a necessary alternative in order to save the most lives (I suppose had social darwinism been in practice men would have just strong-armed women and children out of the life-boats, thank God for the traditional morality and chivalry of the time!)

    Anyway I am sure you can think of other “tragic but necessary alternatives,” certain wars in very limited circumstances, using animals for certain types of scientific research, etc.

    However outside of China, where abortions can be forced, and a few other countries where the evil social pressure to have a male child effectivly “forces” a woman to abort a baby girl, I don’t think the vast majority of abortions could be deemed “necessary” even a broadly interpreted “health of the mother” exception in an abortion ban would still knock out the majority of abortions going on in the USA which are elective.

    Calling abortion a tragic necessity though is like calling drunk driving a tragic necessity. It’s my body if I want to drink it’s no one’s business, oh and I need to go home at some point, so I’ll drive wasted…

    “If” abortion is in some cases needed (and I am by no means propsing that other than as a hypothetical) don’t abortion providers have a duty to seperate the wheat from the chaff and help women discern all the possible alternatives before going ahead with a decison that one just can’t take back?

    For instance why is Planned Parenthood so cold on the idea of adoption, shouldn’t any pregnant woman who doesn’t want to raise a child atleast consider that? And yet I never heard of anyone who was encouraged by a planned parenthood employee or pro-choice friend to have an open mind about adoption. I am starting to think that any “counciling” planned parenthood does is a sales pitch to get a woman to pay for an abortion, more money for the company, maybe I’m just too cynical though.

    Perhapes with all my tax dollars that go to planned parenthood they could really help people planning a parenthood, maybe start offering classes for nervous young mothers (and their husbands/boyfriends since child-rearing is not just a women’s duty) on infant CPR or something to really help them prepare and plan for when the baby comes?

    ***

    I wonder how the hardcore liberal athiests would percieve the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, useful idiots?

    I am glad to hear you report though that it is not “some strange denomination founded on the premise that God wants women to have abortions.”

    According to Wikipedia, I was right, this group did go by diffrent names in the past, “was founded in 1967 as the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion and then later as the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights (RCAR). The current name was chosen in 1993.”

    So not only do pro-choice groups manipulate the language of the pro-life side (always calling us “anti-choice” because you know “anti” just sounds so mean) they also do their own word games.

    I realize, as always, my tone can be a bit combative and I have come to the conclusion that 99% of that is just my writing style. I will say though that I know people in the femminist and liberal movements do feel very strongly about this issue, and my point is that us “anti-choicers” do to. For us faithful Catholics as well as plenty of Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox, and even some Deists and I am sure plenty of others, the Religious Coalition for Love and Peac e if you will, abortion is a bloody and violent act and another reminder that our culture and society is failing the unborn, but also the women who make this tragic choice and are also victims in a sense, also the “fathers” can be victims too in terms of being denied the love of a daugther or son.

    ***

    Well I’ve been looking around the website you suggested…

    -I am a bit bothered that they have special initiatives targeting blacks and hispanics.

    -I am having trouble finding the word “tragedy” on this site.

    -You said they work in the gray-areas but there is no real nuance here, they are just as absolutist and “black and white” as Pope Bennedict is on abortion, they are just on the opposite side of the fence. The two absoltues would be, abortion is illegal and abortion on demand is legal, and this group embraces one of those absolutes.

    -The site’s information on Catholic perspectives on abortion is theologically flawed at best and maliciously deceptive at worst.

    -I don’t know much about Islam but the sites info on the Isalmic perspective probably wouldn’t pass muster in any predominantly Muslim nation.

    -I am wondering how many people under 45 are in this coalation.

  5. What tragedy that justifies pre birth abortion could not also justify post birth abortion?

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